Who I am, part 3 -- the non-religious life
(I dislike the word "atheist". Any word ending in "-ist" implies some sort of belief system, and my point is that I lack any belief system in that category. There is no inherent commonality between all people who don't have a religion, any more than there is between all people who don't believe the Earth is flat.)
It's common to run into non-religious bloggers, but most of them grew up with a religion and later left it, sometimes incurring a severe internal struggle in the process, and often by way of switching to a different religion first. My experience was very different. My parents immigrated from a country where religion was just not a big issue for most people, even back in the 1950s. They were quite startled when Americans sometimes asked them questions like what church they attended (and this would have been in the New York City / Long Island area, not the deep South). In the UK people did not bring up such things.
As I was growing up, my parents never tried to teach me religion, and I honestly didn't have any idea what it was for a long time. I did have a child's book of Bible stories, but my parents never suggested that these were any different from the child's book of Aesop's fables which I also had. They were just stories. My parents never specifically avoided religion or tried to steer me away from it, either. I can remember seeing Billy Graham on TV and suchlike. They simply never made an issue of it one way or another.
My father had a background in science and engineering and, I think, became increasingly hostile to religion as he learned more about the history of science. He had a special interest in the rebirth of science in the Renaissance, and how religion bitterly resisted the progress achieved by Copernicus, Galileo, and later Darwin, as well as fighting against science in countless other cases. My mother never spontaneously showed any interest in the subject, though much later in life I think she was occasionally a little unnerved by how strongly anti-religion I became as an adult. To her, it was simply not something people had strong feelings about.
When I went to university and started studying Middle Eastern history, of course, those gaps in my knowledge were rapidly filled in -- given the huge importance of religion in the history of that region, it was essential to understanding. The emphasis was on Islam, the dominant religion there since the seventh century, although there was also some study of Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Christianity, all of which also originated in the Middle East and influenced it. To this day, though, I have a more thorough understanding of Islamic theology and belief than of those of Christianity.
The idea of actually believing in any of the religions that I was studying never even occurred to me as an option. My interest was purely anthropological, just as you could probably study ancient Odinism or Greek mythology for years and never think of "converting" to it.
As best I can remember, I have only been inside a church twice in my whole life. When I was a student, a friend who was strongly Catholic invited me to the baptism ceremony of his new baby; later, when I visited Germany in 1984, I went inside the great Köln cathedral, purely as sightseeing.
Much later, I developed an odd feeling for several years that entering a church would be somehow contaminating, as if any structure where Christianity was practiced had a kind of miasma of evil tainting it. Later still, I realized this was just more of the same superstition I disdained. A building is just a building.
But the more I studied, both at the university and later, it was impossible to avoid seeing the immense harm done by religion over the centuries -- the subordination of women, the persecution of homosexuals and unbelievers, the suffocation of the great age of "Islamic science" (which was actually more of a revival of Hellenistic science under Islamic rule, but that's a whole other complex issue) by the re-assertion of strict Islam in the early twelfth century, and the long stagnation of the Middle East under Islamic dogma from the fourteenth century to modern times, just as Europe was embracing secularism and rebuilding its science and civilization. Later, as I learned more about Greco-Roman civilization, I came to realize how Christianity had destroyed our true Western culture, taken something from us that can never be restored now.
I discovered Satanism in 1990. Here at last was a philosophy that stood in no-compromise, no-holds-barred absolute opposition to Christianity and all its values, as opposed to the timid and mealy-mouthed stance of most of atheism at that time. Satanism is not really a religion -- it is, as I think of it, to religion as medicine is to a disease. It showed me that much of the poison of Christianity has soaked so deeply into our culture that even most atheists are still affected, not realizing that many of "their" values come from the religion they reject. It is a tool for rooting out the deepest parts of the infection.
Satanism rejects the toxic concepts which are common not just to Christianity but to most religions -- the belief in some kind of higher power outside the self, the subordination of the individual to a higher purpose or plan, the whole idea that life takes its meaning from service to something outside oneself. These, along with entirely poisonous teachings like "turn the other cheek" and "resist not evil", are obviously attitudes which masters would aspire to inculcate into their slaves, but they are antithetical to true, self-assertive freedom.
But that very rejection of external authority over the individual meant that Satanism could never be an organized movement with effective leadership, or even control who chose to identify with it. By the early twenty-first century, the Satanist community (that isn't the right word for it, but I don't think there even is a right word) had become overrun with extreme-right politics and, to a lesser extent, infested with pedophiles -- a ludicrous inversion of its original philosophy. At the same time, the rise of the New Atheist movement provided a new core of militant opposition to religion. Around that time I ceased to consider myself a Satanist, though I still value the original philosophy.
My views on religion haven't changed since then, but I spend far less time thinking about it, except in terms of its strictly practical impact on the world, such as efforts to ban abortion here or the continuing subjugation of women in the Middle East. I have an interest in pre-Christian European paganism, including practices such as Samhain and Walpurgisnacht, but purely as a connection to ancestral culture. I'm certainly not entertaining any idea that the ancient Celtic or Germanic gods might actually exist.
To me, concepts like God, Heaven, Hell, and suchlike are in the same category as mermaids or unicorns -- it's impossible to prove absolutely that they don't exist, but the concept is so unlikely (and just plain silly) that it's not worth spending any time or mental energy on it. I honestly have never felt any "God-shaped hole" or any such thing in my life. If I hadn't grown up in a world where religion is an established thing, I really don't believe the very concept would ever have occurred to me.
For those interested in the modern intellectual revolt against religion, I can recommend The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, probably the most important book of the New Atheist movement, and Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, an autobiography offering far more drama and extremes than mine. These books have been inspirational to me in recent years.
[Please don't attempt defenses of religion in the comments. A blog is not the place for debating such issues, I've already heard all the arguments many times, and I long ago lost any interest in that kind of debate anyway. This post is for the same purpose as the earlier two -- purely informing readers about my background so they know what kind of person I am while they're reading my other posts.]

16 Comments:
That's a very interesting explanation of why the idea of religion has always left you cold. Personally I'm happy to call myself an atheist, which to me simply means I don't believe in God or Heaven or any other religious dogma. There was never any talk of religion in my childhood household and from an early age I rejected religion as nonsensical and full of contradictions.
Interesting as ever and there is a lot to think about here which is why I keep on coming back. I don't think it's because I always agree with you (though I often do) but because you write essays in a World of Tweets. And I love that.
OK, I'll go off and think but...
I'm not wearing my reading specs so I, initially, misread part of your post...
"...just as you could probably study ancient Odinism".
I misread that as Onanism! "The History of Ancient Wanking" is an article that needs to be written. Not that I'd want to read the paper version. It would have "interesting" stains.
I am/an not being frivolous here but a major issue with religions is viewing masturbation as a sin that makes us all sinners. This is ludicrous. I bet even the Popes have poured the occaisional hand shandy in the vestry.
As to the UK. https://www.thetimes.com/travel/destinations/uk-travel/england/london-travel/wedding-virgins-on-verge-of-extinction-t5p89btn8jz?eafs_enabled=false
This is not exactly true. For centuries (apart from dynastic marriages) it was OK to shag outside of marriage but if you got her in the bun-club then you were expected to marry. This is, oddly enough, true still. Most of the weddings I've been to had a bride who' had her dress let out.
My parents told me, at five years old, that religion was a fairy tale like Paul Bunyan and the Blue Ox. I never took it for anything more than a story. It saved me from much grief growing up.
I am an evangelical. I had a spontaneous deconversion in my mid-thirties. One minute I was a deep believer, and the next moment I wasn’t. That is not the way that deconstructing usually happens.
Thanks for sharing.
For me, I've gotten to the point where religion is a non-entity. I may discuss its various beliefs and idiosyncrasies, but it has lost its allure as an axiom in my life.
So interesting, Infidel! I too grew up in a secular household, which was a bit unusual for the 1960s, though not so much now. People always want to label us, so at times I say I’m an atheist; other times I call myself Jewish (though the “wrong” half). I never feel hostile toward religion though, unless someone is trying to impose their beliefs on me or using religion to justify horrible behavior. I do think it was nicer when people didn’t yell about religion and politics in social settings, but I guess we weren’t showing our true faces…
Neither am i now - non-religious.
I had enough of tht whorizontal
from the Catholic ‘pope’. Yet if
there’s one thing I do gotta lotta?
FAITH + GoodWurx = 007th Heaven.
God bless you! Cya soon...
How wonderful to grow up free from religion. I can't imagine what that would have been like. You're fortunate.
Took years and years and much introspection to arrive at my non-belief.
I don't talk about my personal beliefs at work because there are so many kids with differing ones and I feel it's not my place to contradict their parents. But I'd sure like to tell them what I think.
After growing up in the evangenital tribe, where everyone's obsessed with what's in everyone else's pants, I finally figured out that it's about control, not about a god (or gods) at all.
Nick: Religion has caused enough trouble in Northern Ireland in the past. It's a good thing if it's being less emphasized now.
Anon 1:31: Thank you. The best thing I can hope for is to encourage people to think.
I wonder if anyone has read up on paganism without their glasses and actually ended up converting to onanism by mistake. It would do a lot less harm than most religions.
The religious twits quoted in that article have it exactly backward. It's absurd for two people to make a huge, life-altering commitment to each other without even finding out first whether they're compatible, including sexually. In earlier times divorce was far more difficult, so one shudders to think how many people got married and then discovered they'd made a disastrous mistake they could never get out of.
Anon 4:30: A lot of the elements of religion probably started out as folk tales much like that. If history had run a bit differently, people might be worshiping Paul Bunyan and burning each other at the stake over theological disputes about exactly what shade of blue the ox was. Without that element of deep belief, the stories are harmless.
Anvil: That's certainly unusual. I imagine you must have been developing doubts for a long time, though, even if only on a subconscious level.
Ricko: Thanks.
Nan: That's the best way to approach it. It's a subject for cultural anthropology. I'm fortunate in that I never went through a time when it seemed like anything more.
Paula: Thanks! Maybe you'll write a post on your own upbringing at some point (or maybe you already have).
I suppose religion would be harmless if it just stayed in people's heads and didn't lead them to bother anyone else, but unfortunately the religions that are most pushy about imposing themselves on everybody are the ones that tend to spread and dominate huge areas of the world. As for the "horrible behavior", with everything from the Islamic conquests to the Crusades to the Catholic-vs-Protestant mutual persecutions after the Reformation to the conflicts in Lebanon and Northern Ireland to modern jihadism and the endless meddling of Christian bullies in the West in everybody else's sexual behavior..... It's not just the Abrahamic ones, either. The Hindus and Buddhists committed atrocities against each other in the Sri Lankan civil war and Hindus in India are persecuting Christians and Muslims right now. Then there were the Aztec and Maya mass human sacrifices and the Carthaginians burning children alive as sacrifices to Moloch. It is all shit. I hope someday we'll be free of it once and for all.
I do think the reason the Christians and Muslims are getting more aggressive these days is that they realize they're losing out in the culture war. Darkest before the dawn, as they say.
Blessed: Thank you, I think.
Ami: I do consider myself fortunate, especially when reading about how difficult and sometimes traumatic it was for so many people to break free from religion, sometimes breaking family relationships in the process.
As frustrating as it may be, it's surely for the best to keep religion out of the workplace. With different people having very strong beliefs in opposite things, the workplace would become full of conflicts that made it impossible to function. You might even get in serious trouble if religious parents accused you of trying to "indoctrinate" their kids with non-belief, even if you weren't really doing that. People are often unreasonable about such matters.
"Evangenital" is a good one, considering all the sexual abuse by leaders that goes on. And yes, there's almost always a strong element of control. Religion is one of the most effective ways for a small group of scammers to control a population, especially a religion like Christianity with all that "turn the other cheek" crap. It's almost tailor-made for producing obedient slaves.
I grew up in a Serbian Orthodox household; both parents were Serbian. My mother was the quintessential “Church Lady”; dressed to the nines, complete with the “Jackie Kennedy” pill hat. My father went along, I had to get dressed much like “Young Sheldon” (and I HATED it!). We went every Sunday until my mother got sick, and other than for special events, nothing after she passed. For me it was the “Smells and Bells”; the scent of frankincense burning in the thurible as the thurifer walked down the center aisle of the sanctuary. The peal of the bells throughout. The choir singing in Latin. But it never resonated with me beyond the pageantry. I just never much connection to it.
I know learned people whom I consider close friends, and for the most part they have some form of spirituality in their lives; familiar devotion to a religion or belief, but not to the point that they make it a first point of conversation. I respect that in them; we might talk of religion if the topic arises. These people also truly practice what they are taught; kindness, love, community. I admire them for that; I’ve seen way too much of the theocratic hypocrisy elsewhere in my life.
So… now a Senior Citizen, when asked about my “church”, I usually tell people that it is my yard; a place to savor the beauty of nature, to commune and meditate. No crosses, or imagery. No bells. No prayers. No noise. Just a place to clear the head. To be at peace. And I’ll leave it at that.
It never seems to occur to parents that making religion unpleasant (as with uncomfortable clothes), or just a matter of empty ceremony, will lead to it being rejected or, as in the case of your friends, essentially neutered into meaninglessness. For many people today, religion has devolved into "spirituality", which can mean almost anything, and therefore means almost nothing.
I'm surprised that the choir in an Eastern Orthodox church would sing in Latin. Was it a uniate church?
You are the only person I know that was not raised with some kind of religion. That's interesting.
I consider myself Agnostic now. I grew up going to the Mormon temple with my dad's family and the Baptist church with my moms family. There was too much religion in my younger years.
As you know, my previous website was effectively ended when a Moscow based group managed to hack into it.
So your occasional responses were mostly lost.
As I recall, when I have written about my own beliefs, your comments have been reflective, not disrespectful.
In that, you serve as a model and I try to follow your good example.
Mary: That must have been weird, having to go to places of two religions that contradict each other in so many ways. Glad you've mostly escaped from it.
Burr: I try to be respectful of people with different views, so long as those views don't include things that are absolutely abhorrent. You've always been respectful to me.
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