Buttigieg, showing how it's done
In 2019 Pete Buttigieg appeared on a Fox News show and made the case for late-term abortion -- and got an ovation from the conservative audience. He did it by putting the issue in human terms, avoiding abstraction and canned rhetoric, and by using plain everyday language instead of focus-grouped campaign-speech slogans. He totally avoided disrespectful rhetoric like "deplorables", "clinging bitterly", etc which instantly provokes anger and closes minds. Most importantly, he did it on Fox, reaching an audience that didn't already share his views on the matter, so that the conservative people in the room and watching on TV could hear what he said in his own words, not via a slanted paraphrase concocted by another conservative. I'm sure few, if any, of those people substantially changed their views of the issue on the spot -- but they heard a clear and sympathetic explanation of the reality of abortion that most of them likely hadn't heard before, and many minds were probably opened at least a bit, if only to sympathy for women in the situation he was describing. It's a beginning.
This is how you do it. Preaching to those who are already believers is easy, but it's not how you win new converts. If Buttigieg had made the exact same speech on the Rachel Maddow show or at a Democratic convention, it would have been worth very little. To reach audiences beyond those who are already on our side, it's necessary to go where those people are, not expect them to come to us. This situation where everybody just sits in their own echo chambers, and listens only to voices they already agree with, is a national disaster. Anything that breaks down those barriers and exposes people to different thinking is vital.
In the same vein, two weeks ago Elizabeth Warren posted an op-ed at Fox explaining the DOGE attack on Social Security. Most of what she said is already familiar to the informed left, but by posting it there, she reached people who likely have not had the issue put clearly to them before. And last week Buttigieg was back, appearing for three hours on a podcast geared to the "manosphere" (a subculture of young males defined by resentful and primitive attitudes toward women, generally leaning right-wing if they're interested in politics at all), making his case on a wide range of topics in a forum where a hostile audience that hasn't heard most of it before would be tuning in, using plain language rather than politician-speak. And, yes, Gavin Newsom having right-wingers like Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon on his podcast is a good move, even if he doesn't handle the opportunity as adeptly as Buttigieg does. It probably brings in at least a few right-wing listeners who get to hear some left-wing arguments they normally wouldn't. More left-leaning speakers, especially those who are adept at making their case and using plain non-jargony English, need to find ways to do the same.
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I've been an admirer of Pete for ages. Such a brilliant man. He is wonderful at getting to the point, making it very clear, and I've never seen him get rattled. He'd make a wonderful president.
I have family members who live in the echo chambers you spoke of, though. And they're not going to listen to a ______(insert homophobic slur here) no matter how intelligent, straightforward and clear he is.
Did religion make my brother/mother stupid? Or were they stupid and religion just convinced them that they're right to *be* stupid?
Buttigieg is probably the best communicator in current politics, and a lot smarter than most politicians. If I had the power to decide all by myself who should be president, he'd probably be the guy.
Some right-wingers are unreachable. There are those who would simply never listen to any viewpoint that doesn't fit their existing beliefs (and there are people like that on the left as well). But not all of them are like that. Every large grouping of people is a spectrum of mentalities, not all exactly alike. There were those people who applauded Buttigieg after he explained late-term abortion -- even though they presumably knew he's gay.
Is Buttigieg on the identity-politics train? Those sorts of left-wing people are hopelessly doctrinaire; and on the trans-lobby, they're the worst. Totally nasty politics. I honestly think we need a return back to traditional working-class left-wing politicians, unions etc, before Obama.
I agree about Fox news and politicians not being too insular in terms of their audiences; but I'm not sure about people like Bannon. He is surely a demagogue. Kirk, to my mind, just isn't a serious sort of political thinker or debater. From what I've seen, he's deeply unpleasant in interactions and just seems like a rabble-rouser. I would always question we have to ask whether these podcasts
I think that the Democrats need to go back to what they used to stand for. Being sensible and talk about stuff that people are concerned about and that aren't horrible - like men going into girls' changing rooms.
I also think that clapping in debates and discussions is a way of being respectful and courteous to people we disagree with. It's so important to have in civilised discussion, and that reasonable minds can disagree without being labelled a hitler. So, I don't agree with him on the abortion issue (although I am liable to change my views and have done a lot on various stuff); but I would applaud someone for standing up for their views and articulating them. I wish it happened more often.
Here's a comprehensive summary of Buttigieg's political positions. It all seems very sensible to me, and focused on real issues. I don't see anything about identity politics, except where he correctly points out that Trump is one of the worst perpetrators of identity politics these days.
Buttigieg is open about being gay, but he doesn't define himself by it.
I have regularly asserted that Democrats need to focus on labor rights and class war, but what the Democrats should stand for isn't the topic of this post -- it's how to reach voters who lean Republican but are persuadable. To do that, we need to overcome the mentality that any contact with the "other side's" media or representatives is some sort of contamination or betrayal. In the US this mentality is a major problem.
Whatever Kirk and Bannon may be (and Bannon is actually pretty intelligent, despite definitely being an extremist), the point is that they're likely to draw right-leaning listeners to Newsom's podcast, which is the goal here, in my view.
The applause for Buttigieg in the clip sounds more than merely polite to me. And things are now so polarized here that a lot of right-wingers wouldn't normally feel any inclination to be polite to a person such as he.
If you can speak in terms that most people will understand and they feel like they aren't being talked down to or preached at, that's a better way to change some people's minds for sure.
I strongly agree--and Pete Buttigieg is a superb communicator. So is Elizabeth Warren. It's extremely important that they stress the bipartisan appeal of the issues, as most Americans, including Fox viewers, want many of the same services. Unfortunately, the Fox producers are very picky about whom they permit on their programs. Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY) has said that he'd love to address Fox viewers, but his repeated requests for air time have been rejected. Perhaps that's because he wants to talk about the law and justice--a broad topic on which Fox doesn't want its audience to entertain any facts that differ from the dogma they deliver.
Mary: It's amazing how many high-ranking Democrats don't realize that. They actually expect people to listen to or read some convoluted explanation of a planned tax credit or whatever. And they do tend to lecture, or worse, condescend. I think many still don't realize how much damage things like the "basket of deplorables" remark do.
Annie: I had wondered about how easy it is to get on Fox. Ultimately the dinosaur media want each group in its own echo chamber, always hearing the same general run of things, not questioning. It's an easy and familiar model for them to work with. Luckily there's a much wider range of influential media now than in years past. People like Buttigieg and Warren should also consider going on right-wing podcasts, radio talk shows, and so forth. Some would refuse them, but not all. Even Fox might take paid ads, even if they won't let many liberals on their talk shows.
Yay, Pete! He's the best!
I really think he's the best communicator in politics these days.
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