It's never difficult to defend the free expression of ideas we agree with. Waxing indignant about censorship comes easy when it's opinions close to our own that are being silenced. Principles, as such, aren't necessary to do that. Even Hitler and Stalin and Mao were fine with dissemination of views that supported their own propaganda.
It's expression of beliefs we dislike that tests whether we truly have principles or not. And there are always many who do not, of one stripe or another. Some find "blasphemy" against the one true religion (whichever religion that may be in a given country or century) to be intolerable, others declare "hate speech" worthy of being forbidden. It makes little difference which types of opinions they believe should not be covered by free-speech protections -- the mentality is the same.
I recently ran across the following example of a type of rhetoric the enemy often uses in this arena:
The Paradox of Tolerance disappears if you look at tolerance, not as a moral standard but as a social contract. If someone does not abide by the terms of the contract, then they are not covered by it. In other words: The intolerant are not following the rules of the social contract of mutual tolerance. Since they have broken the terms of the contract, they are no longer covered by the contract, and their intolerance should NOT be tolerated.
I'm sure it does make a lot of difference "if you look at tolerance, not as a moral standard but as a social contract", just as, for example, our laws would become very different if we "looked at" the Constitution not as a written document but as a basketball or a hedgehog -- but let that pass. The real problem with gnawing these kinds of holes in the principle of free speech is that once "intolerance" or "hate speech" or whatever is deemed an "exception" to which the right of free expression does not extend, would-be censors will just re-define whatever views they don't like as being "intolerant", "hate speech", etc.
We already see this with people who declare that Nazis are so evil that they deserve to be "punched" just for being Nazis -- and then call pretty much anybody whose opinions they don't like a Nazi. Religionists eagerly deem any views hostile to their own religion as intolerant. An argument in favor of banning guns, alcohol, pornography, abortion, child marriage, or anything else could easily be framed as intolerant toward all who choose to indulge in those things. It would then be a short step to invoke the above-quoted argument to claim that such views, being intolerant, should not be tolerated.
This objection is not just hypothetical. Looking at European countries which have laws against "hate speech", we see that in practice those laws are used almost exclusively to harass or even prosecute people who tell the truth about Islam or trans ideology, even when their views are expressed in ways that no sane person could possibly interpret as hateful or intolerant. Numerous examples have appeared in my link round-ups over the years.
One could even argue that the quoted argument is self-canceling since its author is declaring himself intolerant of a certain range of views (those of the undefined "intolerant"), and therefore he himself is not abiding by the terms of that "social contract" which he has magically re-defined the principle of free expression to be -- meaning that the very argument he is making here should not be tolerated.
Another meme popular with the enemy is "calling bigotry an opinion is like calling arsenic a flavor". Again, in plain English, "any opinion that I personally define as bigotry should not be tolerated". To the jihadist or the Christian fundamentalist, any criticism or mockery of their own religion constitutes bigotry. And so it goes. The crux of the thing is who gets to define "bigotry" or whatever category of opinions is deemed intolerable and thus not protected free speech.
The people who make these kinds of assertions always assume that it is they, or people like them, who would have the power to define what is intolerant and thus intolerable. Don't forget that in the near future it could be president DeSantis and a passel of legislators like Marjorie Taylor Greene who will be empowered to make that decision. The principle of free expression of opinion as an inviolable and seamless, yes, moral standard would stand robustly against them, because it would stand equally against any such attack regardless of which views are being suppressed. Once you decide certain opinions are worthy of suppression on whatever grounds, you have no principle to stand on when your opponents turn on you and try to suppress yours.
As a blogger, I have no choice but to be a free-speech absolutist. Every call for the suppression of "intolerable" opinions is a gun pointed at my head, because there are plenty of people out there who would insist that this or that viewpoint I myself have expressed is intolerable on one basis or another. Free speech must be for everybody -- right-wingers, left-wingers, religious fundamentalists, militant
atheists, racists, blasphemy, "hate speech", radical feminists, pro-transgender activists, communists, Nazis, everybody -- because the seamless principle demands it. And if I didn't uphold and defend that principle, I'd be implicitly granting the enemy a basis to silence me.
Needless to say, this applies even to anti-free-speech arguments such as the one quoted above. I do not support preventing people from expressing such intolerant views. The proper response to evil ideas is not to prohibit their expression but to reply to them and argue against them, as I'm doing here. (This does not, of course, mean that I'm obligated to let my own blog be used as a platform for views I find abhorrent. There are plenty of other forums available.)
Sorry, but on this issue Noam Chomsky was right. "If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise, we do not believe in it at all."
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Why do you think that the quoted passage refers to speech rather than actions. If someone feels that it is morally necessary to harass gays, or to drag people up a pyramid and cut out their hearts in order to feed Huitzilopoctli, we should not tolerate it.
ReplyDeleteRick Shapiro: The quoted passage specifically condemns people for intolerance which is an attitude, not an action. Actual harassment or murder are not expressions of opinion, and thus have nothing to do with what we're talking about here. (Merely expressing an opinion in favor of harassment or human sacrifice is protected as free speech, and should be -- nobody will arrest a writer for merely saying he supports blocking traffic as part of a "protest" -- but that's different from actually committing those actions).
ReplyDeleteInfidel,
ReplyDeleteWith you 100% on this. It is one of the reasons I am very uncomfortable about the idea of "hate crimes". Define the crime as what is done and not why it is done. Obviously the usual mitigating circumstances or further condemning circumstances apply but that is an ancienct concept in law that, say, not all homicides are equal.
NickM: Thanks. It's basically thoughtcrime, penalizing beliefs rather than actions. In the case of murder or assault, the perpetrator should be prosecuted for the murder or assault. If it's just "bad" beliefs or statements without any violent or harassing behavior, society has no business prosecuting that.
ReplyDeleteObviously it is thoughtcrime. On the "hate speech" thing the SNP came very close to make "hate statements" in a private conversation in your own home. This is part of the reason Nicola Sturgeon* had to go... They now of course have Humza Yousaf who supports Stugeon's position on Trans "rights" and is a Muslim. Quite how that circle is squared... but he seems to espouse the weird idea that we must all play nice and respect each other - or else... Which is perhaps a sort of social contract. That word, "respect", is spectacularly abused by many who would restrict speech and other forms of expression. Obviously this respect cannot be applied by those deemed beyond the pale. Hence things like this:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11949057/Terrified-Riley-Gaines-ambushed-screaming-trans-activists-physically-attacked-her.html
*The previous Laird of the Porridge People was Alex Salmond. It's a conspiracy of the Fish Folk who shall rise from the Lochs and... I dunno. Flap around a bit and die and die...
Humza Yousaf who supports Stugeon's position on Trans "rights" and is a Muslim. Quite how that circle is squared...
ReplyDeleteI've heard that it's Iran that performs more "sex-change" surgeries per year than any other country. The logic is that it's a way of dealing with homosexuals short of killing them -- if a man who's attracted to men is "changed into" a "woman", presto, you've got a straight woman instead of a gay man. Considering what I've heard about the results of these Frankensteinian butcheries even in advanced countries like the US and UK, the Devil knows how well they work out when performed in a place like Iran.
I heard about Riley Gaines. Between that and the attack on Kellie-Jay Keen and the Nashville shooting and the shutdown of the Nantes symposium, etc, etc, the thuggery is getting out of control. Let's hope it's waking people up.
Irrational ideologies are inherently hostile to free speech. They don't dare allow criticism since that would expose the irrationality. So when you see people calling for "no debate" and the silencing of their opponents, that usually means that their belief system is nonsensical, and that deep down they know it.
Well, yeah. I'd heard that about Iran but... It really doesn't seem quite the gender frluid antics of the West and have wondered to what extent it is - I dunno - "Homowashing" in much the same way they Quatar put on the ludicrous stunt of the last Football World Cup was "Sportswashing". In anycase I very much doubt may at the far-end of the LGBTQI2S+ would like to live in a theocracy like Iran. Apart from anything as new-build wymyn they'd have to wear hijab rather than dress like pound-storee Lady Gagas... Gotta say it pains me to have to even vaguely hint at the genuine heroines of Iran in the same thread, even.
ReplyDeletemostly agree.
ReplyDelete2 things:
speech comprises words. If ever there was a "loaded" word, I think "Nazi" would be it. You claim it, you own it. there's no, "Yeah, I'm a Nazi, alright! Except for Hitler and all the genocide and stuff." Don't identify as Nazi and complain about people punching you a lot.
also, on Hate Crime: doesn't "hate" go to motive, thereby admissible? And if the verdict is Guilty, isn't Hate Crime a perfectly valid description?
you may guess that I'm no lawyer.
Yeah, but Tim, they are defining saying things without doing them as hate crimes.
ReplyDeleteNickM: My understanding is that gays in Iran are not given a choice about these "operations" -- it's forced. I suppose they could opt for being executed instead. There's no pretense of caring what they want.
ReplyDeleteTim: Lots of people call themselves communists or Marxists, but had nothing to do with the Gulag or Mao's Great Leap Forward. If you can show that an individual self-proclaimed Nazi has committed violence or is plotting violence, then yes, by all means let penalties apply. But once we accept violence as a response to mere expression of opinion or identity, no matter how disgusting, we lose our basis for opposing violence by others who decide that other identities are just as evil as "Nazi" is. There are plenty of people out there who believe that socialists, Jews, or even white people generally are so inherently evil that their mere existence justifies violence against them. You and I know that that's nonsense, but it makes a lot more sense to uphold a consistent principle rather than to engage in hairsplitting arguments about why some exceptions are justified but others are not.
My impression is that most people these days who claim to be Nazis are rather pathetic and juvenile types who are more stuck in adolescent shock-the-grownups mode than actually evil. Punching them would make them feel validated, like they really are heirs of Hitler and really are scary. It's more accurate and effective to mock them for what they truly are.
The premise that the motive for a crime affects how seriously it should be condemned, independent of the material facts of the crime, strikes me as dubious. If somebody murders me, I don't see that it makes much difference whether he did it because he hates me personally or because he hates people of British descent generally. Dead is dead. I'd want him executed regardless.
There maybe not real pretense in reality but Iran is maybe using that in a sense to be the new funky Ayatollahs of lurve.
ReplyDeleteYou are correct, Infidel, about self-id NAZIs.But I think part of the point Tim was getting at is it is spectacularly overused just to mean someone you virulently disagree with (Godwin's Law and all that) with no specific reference or understanding of the actual NSDAP of Germany/Austria of 1933-1945. I think it is significant here that the Italian Fascists were ideologically (and aesthetically - and aesthetics matters a lot to all totalitarians) quite different to their allies in the Reich.
Knowing your enemies is not aided by using a single crudely inaccurate term. That is a mere slur and not getting to the assorted nubs of evil.
It also robs words of their meaning. If everybody that someone on the left doesn't like is a Nazi, then the word Nazi no longer means anything. It's like the way right-wingers call everything they don't like Marxist or communist. Their use of those words no longer has any connection to their actual meanings.
ReplyDeleteInfidel,
ReplyDeleteThat was my point. We live in a world where a lesbian can be called out for not wanting sexual relations with someone with a penis.
Interstingly:
The terms "left" and "right" appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left.
The scary thing is when your realise quite how arbitary terms can be you can use repurpose them however you want.
And all Hell can follow with that train...