Drone apocalypse
It actually wouldn't be surprising if some of the major national militaries already have technology like this. They certainly have weapons the general public doesn't know about. That, however, wouldn't be the true nightmare scenario. Governments already have the capacity to do all kinds of horrible things, and life in general goes on. Some governments can be held accountable by elections, while others can be deterred from aggression outside their own borders by the threat of military retaliation. There are only a couple hundred national governments, and only a subset of those have really advanced technology, so the pool of potential actors is limited.
Indeed, drone warfare in the Ukraine war has already reached almost this level of hunting down and killing individuals, though those drones are remote-controlled by human operators, not autonomous -- which makes them a more cumbersome tool for larger-scale targeted killing.
But the scenario shown here, where fairly inexpensive killer mini-drones become widely available (legally or not), would actually be even more terrifying than the video depicts. Pretty much any person would be able to kill any other person, with little risk of any consequences. It wouldn't be just a matter of whether you hate a particular personal enemy enough to want to kill him. You'd worry that he might use this to kill you, unless you got him first. In many cases a pre-emptive murder would feel like a matter of survival. And you'd know that your enemy was likely thinking along the same lines. No one would be safe unless they spent the rest of their lives in a heavily-armored bunker and never came out even momentarily (which would probably drive them insane eventually), and perhaps not even then.
However, there are a couple of reasons I can think of why this scenario is unlikely to materialize, or at least wouldn't last long if it did.
First, if such technology were widely available, almost every politician in the world above a very low level would be killed off almost immediately. For any member of Congress you can name, any high-level member of the executive branch, even many state governors and legislators, there are people out there who hate that person enough to kill him or her if the means to do so with no consequences existed. The same applies in other countries. And those politicians know that. If something like this was on the brink of becoming widely available, I think Congress and similar bodies elsewhere would take whatever action was needed, no matter how draconian or unconstitutional, to prevent it. Fear of their own extermination would create an unprecedented incentive.
Second, nobody wants to live in the kind of nightmare world these things would lead to. Some, perhaps many, would fight fire with fire. As soon as such killer drones became available and the results became apparent, every executive at the companies that produced them, every engineer who understood the technology involved, and anyone else who might even tangentially be able to help facilitate designing or making the things, no matter how personally innocent, would end up being massacred by their own creation. It wouldn't stop until the knowledge and technological capability to create such devices had been erased from the world.
Nevertheless, there is value in considering scenarios like this. Technology always has the potential to develop in dangerous directions, and it's best to be aware of such possibilities before actually being faced with them.

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I can see it as reality, very soon. In the hands of a handful of very rich, powerful men who want to maintain complete control over the masses.
"Submit or die".
But there are also countermeasures. In the mobile communications field, devices that can block radio signals. Granted that my knowledge of these devices is quite dated - going back 10-15 years; but the technology did exist. Whether it has advanced into other frequency spectrum's beyond the 3 and 4G mobile, I do not know. There are also devices that can send out an Electomagnetic Pulse (EMP) in a specific direction that could disable electronics and render an incoming drone useless, but you would need to know that a drone was incoming.
It's just... way too much overhead to worry about at this stage in life.
Quite frightening.
Apologies for the long delay in posting comments. An unexpected situation got in the way of my usual internetting today.
Rade: They couldn't really be restricted to just rich people if they were cheap enough. Nothing else which is cheap is restricted to just the rich.
On the other hand, there are many cases in which governments try to restrict ownership of certain kinds of weapons to only themselves, and "a handful of very rich, powerful men who want to maintain complete control over the masses" is pretty much a description of most governments.
Blocking radio signals wouldn't stop autonomous drones, though it would stop remote-controlled ones (though it's interesting that Russia hasn't been able to use that effectively against Ukrainian remote-controlled drones). I suppose an EMP would work, but it would hardly be practical for everybody in the world to be generating EMP pulses all the time. But as you say, it's pointless to worry about it since there's nothing much individuals on our level can do to influence the outcome.
Ricko: Quite. I found it pretty disturbing at first viewing. I think the most likely scenario is that such weapons will actually never be developed -- because the people able to develop them anticipate that they themselves would become targets, as I suggested at the end of the post.
The idea of individuals killing other individuals with a drone is scary indeed. If that ever became likely I'm sure steps would be taken to prevent it, as you say.
It’s happening so fast. So many things are.
As to pols and the democratic process being a protection... Dunno. But what I think will save us from the Attack of the Drones is technical. That video doesn't address what I see as critical - the range and endurance of the little buggers. Neither are going to great. Although I guess if you really wanted to wreck havoc on Congress* You load-up a truck and drive down the National Mall and unleash. But that could not have the anonymty that the vid seemed to consider a major part of the threat.
What really impressed me was the other stuff on the DUST channel. Now ordinary folks being able to make SF movies cheap is revolutionary.
As is. Well I was just about to hackk Win 11 to activate it's hidden VPN but Firefox updated and FF150 has a free VPN built in. Yes! Now free VPN tend to have an iffy past but this is Mozilla.
It's got a good review on CNET. I'm going to give it a go. I'll let you know how I get on...
NickM
*Yes, I do recall not long since an angry mob including the guy dressed as the Indian Chief from the Village People managed a pretty good go...
It would not surprise me in the least if some government or some company were creating drones just like these. Our military already has weapons we probably don't know about. Here in Las Vegas the police departments are using drones to fly over areas when 911 gets called. They told us about the roof top where all of their drones take off from. Next step, terminators.
This really is disturbing.
I don't know if you've seen "Star Trek Beyond," but I remember that bit when thousands of small ships swarmed and destroyed the Enterprise.
Every time I hear about the vaunted aircraft carriers of the US Navy, as mighty as they are, I recall this scene.
Also, this video makes me think of "Terminator" and Stark Enterprises.
Perhaps I should stop watching movies?
Nick: Certainly since the people with the power to do something about it know they'd be among the first targets.
Anvil: Technology moves fast these days. Part of the value of videos like this is to warn us about what might be coming so we can prepare.
NickM: They might well be limited in range, presumably being battery-powered and not able to carry a very heavy battery. But a couple of miles would probably be enough to preserve anonymity. Durability issues could likely be addressed by using several times as many drones as the number of targets -- at least some would get through.
I mostly quit watching Dust a while ago because the films mostly weren't very good -- heavy on effects but weak on storytelling, especially meaningful endings. Maybe I should give them another try.
VPNs seem to be proliferating these days. It's a good sign.
Mary: I know the police are getting into drones. In some areas they've had to warn people not to shoot at them.
From what you've posted about your neighborhood, terminators might be an improvement.
Al: Nothing wrong with movies or TV, so long as one takes them for what they are, and not as a guide to what real-world technology is like or could become like. Star Trek was a good TV show, but it was a TV show. Unfortunately a lot of people now seem to think that's what future space exploration will actually be like.
I had heard about concerns that the Iranian theocracy might be able to sink an aircraft carrier by some kind of swarm attack. However, those carriers doubtless have very sophisticated defensive technology. They wouldn't just sit there and get hit. I think if Iran had such capabilities that they had any confidence in, they'd actually have attacked a carrier.
I know Dust isn't great. My point is that something like that can exist given how bored I am with the recycled tripe from the major studios. It's the principle of it that I think matters. And if outfits like Dust can give the studios a much needed kick up the arse...
NickM
"Technology always has the potential to develop in dangerous directions, and it's best to be aware of such possibilities before actually being faced with them."
Very true. You can also say that the novels of Michael Crichton dealt with this (JURASSIC PARK, PREY) and also the movies that he wrote and directed (WESTWORLD, LOOKER).
Marc: I would argue that it's less so in those cases, since the technology depicted in Jurassic Park is impossible, and that of Westworld probably impossible for the foreseeable future (I'm not familiar with the other works). An effective warning about future potentially-dangerous technology would depict the potential threat in a precise and literal way (metaphors go over too many people's heads) and be equally specific about why it's dangerous. The slaughterbots as depicted are at least something that could become technologically feasible in the near future; bringing dinosaurs back isn't.
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