12 July 2024

Music that has issues

I've done a few posts on the popular music of the late twentieth century (see here, here, and here), highlighting what I consider its obviously superior quality, imagination, and variety compared with most pop music today.  However, there are also some works from that time that have a disturbing edge today, however innocent they seemed at the time.  I don't mean the music was of bad quality (every era produces some bad music, which ends up just being forgotten); I mean that in hindsight it conveyed messages that were ugly or even threatening.

I'll start with a relatively mild example, "Don't You Want Me" by the Human League:


When this song came out, I listened to it a lot and it never occurred to me that there was anything disturbing about it.  Here's a reaction video by a present-day couple, which gets the point across well:

A guy who actually talked like this would come across as a dangerous psychopath -- a stalker type, as Asia observes (note that it's the woman who immediately gets what's wrong with this; to the man, it isn't so obvious until it's pointed out).  It doesn't help that the menacing male character is wearing so much make-up.  To me he gives off the vibe of the kind of guy who turns out to have a bunch of partly-dismembered corpses chained up in his basement.  Obviously that wasn't the intent when the video was made.  They must have been more than a little naïve.

Now here's something far more blatant:

I remember that even back then, when the song came out, I found it rather creepy.  But I knew people who didn't.  Again, imagine a man actually speaking these exact words, without the aesthetic intoxication provided by the music and melody.  You'd know that you were in the presence of a terrifying monster.  What on Earth was the reason for immortalizing and even glamorizing such bullying in a song?  Sting himself, over time, has come to acknowledge how sinister the song is, but says he didn't realize it at the time he composed it.

Some rather different issues come up with the song "Sex" by the band Berlin.  I am actually not going to embed it here, because the song is borderline pornographic and I don't want to risk my blog getting stuck behind one of those screens where you need to sign in to Blogspot in order to view it.  You can listen to the song here.  That link is just the music; there is an official video, but it's age-restricted on YouTube and so not watchable unless you have a login that works there.

The song is a duet between a man and a woman, most of it being fairly explicit evocations of sex -- "slip and slide in your wet delight" and suchlike.  There is also a series of choruses in which the man simply repeats "I'm a man" over and over, and the woman responds each time with a different male fantasy:  "I'm a geisha", "I'm your slave", "I'm a virgin", "I'm a boy" (wait, what?), "I'm your mother" (what?), and repeatedly and climactically "I'm a little girl" (no..... just no).  There's nothing morally wrong with fantasy and role-play between people who are actually consenting adults, but some of these examples are, to put it as charitably as possible, rather daring choices to showcase in a pop song.  There's also the implication that the man's role in sex is merely to be a man, while the woman's role is to act out and satisfy whatever fantasy he finds stimulating.  Nothing hints that she too might have fantasies or preferences that she would enjoy his cooperation in.  Or perhaps her fantasy is simply to be submissive.  This song is not as disturbing as the first two examples above, but today it sounds like something from a slightly creepy and off-kilter parallel universe.

Finally, I'd like to cite "Relax" by the band Frankie Goes to Hollywood.  The song itself is catchy and fun, with a few obvious sexual double-entendres; the (notorious) official video is ugly, brutal, pornographic, and ridiculous.  However, this modern reaction video is hilarious (again, linking rather than embedding for the same reason as before).  You can see the entire original video in the bottom left quarter of the screen as they're watching it.

It is said that "the past is a foreign country; they do things differently there."  Culturally, even the 1980s are already becoming "the past".

7 Comments:

Blogger Jack said...

There are plenty of examples of 80s (and 90s) music that I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to relate to today outside of nostalgia. The ones you mentioned were mild examples but good ones.

One of my favorite examples of broader 80s culture that hasn't held up well (and there are many of them) might be Revenge of the Nerds from 1984. It uses rape by fraud for comedic effect. Even back then, I remember wondering if we were really supposed to be laughing at that.

12 July, 2024 04:40  
Blogger bluzdude said...

Back in the day, I recall Sting saying he wrote "Set Them Free" as an antidote to "Every Breath You Take."

12 July, 2024 05:28  
Blogger NickM said...

Sting is a copper-bottomed, gilt-edged, wanker of the the first water. If he'd been a Roman he'd have been, Bellendius Maximus. As a fellow Geordie I can say that.

It is astonishing that, in the UK, "Every Breath You Take" is frequently played at weddings...

Having said that in the top-ten for funerals are: "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" by the Pythons, Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" and "Ding, Dong - The Witch is Dead".

Oddly enough there is currently a UK TV advert for life insurance which is sound-tracked with an instrumental version of "Enola Gay" by OMD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5XJ2GiR6Bo

But, what about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDMCwSP5nf0&list=RDuDOIq21o40E&index=17

Joss Ackland is very creepy.



12 July, 2024 08:53  
Blogger applequeen said...

I loved "Every Breath You Take" & I still do. It was OUR SONG for my lover Jim & me ... to this day, that song makes me cry. I have to laugh, though ... that our song was about a love affair that was over. I should have known. Maybe I did. He was, after all, a married man. He died (earlier this year) still married, still telling me that he was going to leave her. Yeah, right.

I never saw that song as a song about stalking. "No Reply" by the Beatles is more about stalking than "Every Breath You Take". & as a woman who has been in more than one violent relationship, I really don't have a problem with either of these tunes. When you break up with someone, you don't want to let go. That's the way it is. If you're a writer, you write about not wanting to let go.

In our 21st-century world, we have become so *straight* about everything that we can't be real about our emotions when we break up with someone. The truth is, when we love someone, we see that person in our heads, in our hearts, in our dreams ALL THE TIME. "I'll be watching you" is a real feeling. I see Jim all the time. He's with me always. If that makes me a stalker, well I own it. I loved him & I miss him every single fucking day. I thought I was done crying but I'm crying right now. "How my poor heart breaks" it's never going to OK

13 July, 2024 10:16  
Blogger Infidel753 said...

Jack: I don't know if it's exactly nostalgia I feel about these. Looking back I mostly wonder why, at the time, I couldn't see what's so obvious now.

Bluzdude: I hope that's the case. I assume he didn't want to be associated forever with a stalker anthem, though actually I know almost nothing about him as a person.

NickM: Yes, it's rather astonishing if a song like this is played at weddings, but people are often oblivious to the real implications of song lyrics. Republicans here are constantly getting in trouble for playing songs at their rallies which they believe are patriotic but which are actually meant ironically.

None of those songs you mentioned as being played at funerals would be appropriate at all, unless chosen in advance by the deceased, and even then it would be disrespectful to the feelings of those left behind.

Applequeen: I can understand if the song has specific associations for you personally because of your history with it, which (for you) override the actual meaning of the words. There are several songs which have special meanings to me, which I'm well aware have nothing to do with what the creators of those songs had in mind.

But this doesn't change the reality of what the song actually is. I stand by my statement "imagine a man actually speaking these exact words, without the aesthetic intoxication provided by the music and melody. You'd know that you were in the presence of a terrifying monster". There are innumerable women who left a man, or tried to, only to find that he continued to pursue his obsession with controlling them, who would know exactly what I mean, listening to the actual words. It's not about love or protectiveness. It's about the urge some men feel to exert absolute control over a woman. Sting himself eventually acknowledged that the song was sinister in meaning.

I understand your feelings about your lover, because of my own feelings about my mother who died almost five years ago. For a long time I obsessed over feelings that I needed to be watching over her still, because I had been taking care of her for so many years. I am perfectly capable of "being real about" those emotions, which can be very complex. It doesn't blind me to the obvious meaning of this song, and how it expresses the male control-freakery that so many women live in terror of -- nothing to do with the kind of benevolent watching-over we feel toward those we genuinely love.

13 July, 2024 10:51  
Blogger applequeen said...

Nick M: I have been stalked by men I broke up with. I know what that's like. One of them flattened the tires of a car I had & I had to lay out $400 to get new ones. He used to tell me, "I'm going to watch you like a hawk" & I'd reply, "Enjoy the show."

No, I don't live like this anymore.

For what it's worth, "One Way or Another" by Blondie is a stalker song. It's based on an actual letter Debra Harry got from an ex & she turned it into lyrics. But nobody ever talks about this song.

14 July, 2024 06:52  
Blogger Infidel753 said...

There were certainly plenty of other examples I could have used. Having limited space, I stuck with examples I was relatively familiar with.

14 July, 2024 08:22  

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